Zuckerberg trash talks Apple in interview with Joe Rogan

Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg thinks Apple “[hasn’t] actually invented something nice shortly” and that it has been coasting off of its previous success. “Steve Jobs invented the iPhone and now they’re simply sort of sitting on it 20 years later,” he stated this week.

Zuckerberg made the statements throughout a virtually three-hour lengthy podcast with Joe Rogan the place, together with discussing Meta’s moderation coverage adjustments and flip in opposition to variety and inclusion insurance policies, they bought into Meta’s beef with Apple and its insurance policies.

The dialog truly began with Rogan’s points with Apple. Rogan stated he’s shifting “from Apple to Android” partially as a result of he doesn’t “like being connected to at least one firm.” He additionally isn’t a fan of Apple’s App Retailer insurance policies. “The way in which they try this Apple retailer, the place they cost folks 30 %,” he stated. “That appears so insane that they’ll get away with doing that.”

“I’ve some opinions about this,” Zuckerberg stated. Whereas he offers credit score to the iPhone as “clearly one of the necessary innovations in all probability of all time,” he argued that Apple has put guidelines in place that “really feel arbitrary.”

Zuckerberg stated that Apple has “totally hamstrung the power for anybody else to construct one thing that may connect with the iPhone in the identical means” as Apple’s personal merchandise, just like the AirPods. If Apple let different folks use its protocol, “there would in all probability be significantly better rivals to AirPods on the market,” Zuckerberg stated.

Naturally, there’s enterprise behind Zuckerberg’s gripes. Meta has had longstanding points with Apple and the 30 % minimize it takes on some App Retailer transactions. Apple’s iOS restrictions have made it tougher for Meta to compete on {hardware} and worn out billions of {dollars} in promoting. Zuckerberg stated that if Apple’s “random guidelines” didn’t apply, Meta would make “twice as a lot revenue or one thing” based mostly on his “again of the envelope calculation.”

Apple is more and more underneath stress to open up. It’s made adjustments within the European Union in response to new legal guidelines focusing on its insurance policies, and it’s dealing with a lawsuit from the US Division of Justice for holding a monopoly over smartphones. However the firm appears intent on sustaining its closed ecosystem till it’s pressured to alter.

Zuckerberg believes that Apple’s reliance on “simply advantaging their stuff” will in the end harm the corporate. Apple has “been so off their recreation by way of not likely releasing many modern issues,” he stated. He stated that the tech business is “tremendous dynamic,” and “in case you simply don’t do job for like 10 years, finally, you’re simply going to get beat by somebody.” (It’s straightforward to guess who Zuckerberg thinks that could be!)

Apple didn’t instantly reply to a request for touch upon Zuckerberg’s remarks.

Zuckerberg touched on a whole lot of different tech matters as a part of his dialog with Rogan, together with AI and the way he thinks about display screen time along with his daughter enjoying Minecraft. One space he spent a while on was neural interfaces and the way bodily and digital worlds will mix collectively.

He thinks that “it’s going to be some time earlier than we’re actually broadly deploying something that jacks into your mind,” for instance, and (naturally) he talked about the advantages of a wrist-based neural interface, which Meta is engaged on as a part of its Orion augmented actuality glasses.

Down the road, Zuckerberg envisions a world the place you’ll be capable to use the neural interface wristband and the glasses to textual content a pal or an AI and have the glasses provide the reply. He additionally believes that as good glasses and even contact lenses as a computing platform turn out to be extra developed, the web might be “overlaid” on the bodily world.

“I feel we’ll principally be on this wild world the place many of the world might be bodily, however there might be this rising quantity of digital objects or people who find themselves beaming in or hologramming into various things to work together in numerous methods,” he stated.

“There isn’t a bodily world and a digital world anymore,” he added. “We’re in 2025. It’s one world.”